"I'll Just Use Bleach, Isn't That What You Do?"

brian fish • June 9, 2023

Please Just Put Down the Bottle!

Clients will often ask us, "well its just a little mold, can't I just wipe with some bleach, that's what you all use isn't it?"


While some of the products we may choose to use on a mold job do contain some sodium hypochlorite (bleach), the products don't just contain bleach and are MADE to treat and control mold growth with fungicides. Simply put, store bought bleach is mostly water. We will advise that by simply using bleach and a sponge you can make the problem worse if you are wiping the mold off the wall with bleach.

Sodium Hypochlorite diluted down is what we buy off the store shelves and commonly know as bleach. Bleach is a strong disinfectant, but it is not effective at killing mold that has penetrated deep into a material. When you wipe mold with bleach, the bleach may kill the mold on the surface, but it will not kill the mold that is growing deeper inside the material where source removal is required because we need to remove the moisture problem and get to the hyphae of the mold spore. By spraying and wiping the surface you are introducing more H2O onto the surfaces which can lead to the mold growing back, becoming worse, spreading, and it can also create a toxic environment.


If you have mold in your home, it is important to have it professionally removed. A professional will be able to identify the type of mold, assess the extent of the problem, and remove the mold safely and effectively.

 

Here are some of the risks of wiping mold with bleach:


1- Toxic fumes. Mixing bleach with other cleaning products, such as ammonia, can create toxic fumes. These fumes can be harmful to your health, especially if you have asthma or other respiratory problems.


2- Spreading mold spores. When you wipe mold with bleach, you can spread the mold spores into the air. These spores can then settle on other surfaces in your home, where they can grow and spread.


3- Damage to surfaces. Bleach can damage some surfaces, such as wood and natural stone. If you are not sure whether it is safe to use bleach on a particular surface, it is best to err on the side of caution and use a different cleaning product.


To be clear, if you find mold in your home, it is important to take action to remove it immediately. But first, why is it there, without diagnosing the symptom we can't arrive at a solution to remove it. Do not attempt to remove mold yourself if you are not sure how to do it safely.

A professional mold remediation company will have the experience and training to safely and effectively remove mold from your home.


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